Tuesday, November 13, 2007

Google + Boredom = No Financial Advisor


I am always a bit concerned about my personal finances. I'm particularly worried about retirement and not getting myself into too much financial trouble. I went to visit a financial advisor to see what he had to say and just generally hear him out on what he had to say. Going in, I already knew that this was going to be a sales pitch. Knowing that, I still went in to visit to see if this guy would be worth my hard earned money and if he could advise me in any way. I am always open to new ideas on getting a leg up on my financial goals.

The visit started nicely. I started talking with him about my financial goals and what current plans I currently have. He then went on to gather general information about how many assets and debt that I had. The final assessment was that I have very little debt and minimal financial obligations. With that being the case, he described my financial situation as "simple".

Somewhere during the talk, I started to become skeptical about the quality of service that he would be able to provide. He did appear to be quite young. So in my head, I was thinking "What does this guy know about personal finances that I don't know?" I am by no means a financial expert, hence I was seeking advisement, but this guy couldn't have been in the industry for more than 5 years. I felt somewhat uncomfortable seeking advisement from someone who hasn't been in the industry very long. After all, it is my hard earned money.

Here's where it gets ugly. I politely declined his service. He then got a bit irritated. I assume he was expecting me to be a shoe-in client and when I declined, he didn't handle it very well. He hammered back "You don't think I am worth XXX and that I could save you XXX money within a year?" I simply replied that I couldn't afford to invest that amount at the current time. He flipped out.

He became unprofessional at this point, so I headed home. I later became a bit curious to find out exactly what qualifications this guy held. I did a quick google search for his name. The first thing that I found was he graduated from the University of California, Santa Barbara. That's fine, nothing wrong with going to a party school. I then found out that he majored in a degree called "Global Studies". What the hell is "Global Studies"? Quickly looking up UCSB, I found the Global Studies Course Descriptions. I also found an overview of the Global Studies major.
January 2004 marked the fifth anniversary of the establishment of UCSB’s pioneering global studies major. When it was established in early 1999 it was widely recognized as one of the first interdisciplinary undergraduate majors in international studies in the country to focus on globalization. Former Secretary of State Warren Christopher presided over the inaugural occasion.

Within those five years, the numbers of global studies majors grew to over 700 per year—60% focusing on the socioeconomic and political aspects of globalization, and 40% emphasizing the cultural and ideological side. Most students choose Europe as their geographical area, and Spain is the most popular venue for studies abroad.
Last time I checked, globalization didn't have anything to do with personal finances. Nor did socioeconomic and political aspects of globalization.

Searching further, I discovered that he was in the graduating class of 2004. I just recently graduated at California State University, Northridge in 2006 with a degree in Computer Science. Really, neither of us are really experts when it comes down to what we studied. To give him credit though, he did say that he was certified to deal with financial advisement. However, to me, a certification only means that he read a book and took a test on what he read. A monkey could do that (Sorry Pan. I shouldn't have compared this financial advisor with you).

Disregarding that, what kind of advice would I have gotten if I really did reach out to him. To figure this out, I jumped over to the Ameriprise Financial careers page. To my amazement, I couldn't really find any requirements to work there. It seems that they are willing to provide training and resources to make anyone a financial advisor. What I did find was a compensation page. Here's what I did find.
  • "Commissions paid bi-weekly ranging from 40% to 55% payout".
  • "Initial commission payout of 50%"
  • "First year payout of 60% of all financial planning fees"
Does this mean that he's going to be trying to sell me options that he gets paid large commissions on? ABSOLUTELY!

In the end, I am very happy that I didn't spend the money that was asked..

Thanks Google! Sorry Mr. Ali Kattan-Wright, I'll pass at this time.


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7 Comments:

At November 13, 2007 5:30 PM , Blogger Puno said...

ha! that's funny.

good for you for getting credentials. i bet if you found his myspace it would be filled with his "after party" pictures. WOOOOO!

 
At November 27, 2007 8:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one will take care of your money better than you. He did look a little like Pan, though...

 
At November 27, 2007 9:02 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree wholeheartedly that you can learn how to invest your hard-earned money on your own without paying large commissions. I beg to differ on the Pan comment...I think Pan's better looking.

 
At November 27, 2007 10:06 PM , Anonymous theprofessor said...

The adviser went to UCSB. If you look up the average GPA/SAT of that school, you can easily figure out the guy's intelligence. The guy's a dumbass. If he had any semblance of intelligence, he would have gotten in at UCLA, Berkeley, UCSD. He only went to UCSB because he got rejected from the other UC schools.

 
At December 2, 2007 5:28 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its a bit unfair to assume that because he's compensated 40-55% of his commissions that he's going to try to slam you into highly commissionable products. If you paid $1200 to a company where some guy who gets paid $15/hour to operate a phone headset, do you think you'd get golden advice? Additionally, did the advisor offer some sort of guarantee? Ameriprise is big on their 90 day full money back guarantee. In other words, this guy is on the hook - you could pay his quoted fee, he could do all the "work", and you could say "this sucks, give me my money back" within 90 days. Quite frankly from hearing your story, it's safe to bet you'd have gotten some crap.. but nonetheless FWIW, he's on the hook.

I'm no fan of Ameriprise, I spent 3 years there before moving to an independent firm. In fact, I'll say theres tons of crooks there. But there's also tons of great advisors there who do great jobs for their clients.

It's true you can learn how to invest your hard earned money on your own without paying large commissions. But, I find, in life you get what you pay for.

I disgree that "no one will take care of your money better than you". If you don't how much you'll need to retire, how to plan for potential tax problems, how to best save, what criteria makes a good investment, etc... maybe you should enlist a professional. Additionally, read a study of the average investor's performance when lead by their own device - fear and greed crush portfolios (and dreams) all the time.

I mean you could probably save a few bucks and do your own LASIK, but I don't know anyone that does.

I'd say it's important to educate yourself - AT LEAST - to the point of when you know you're getting ripped off or if the advisor is doing a good job. Same with a doctor, lawyer, CPA, car salesman, etc.

Don't get me wrong though - that guy's hard sell to get you to sign up and getting unprofessional is unacceptable. But in all fairness, I'd bet dollars to donuts that anyone who charges you a fee and at least does an analysis, holds your hand, does routine check-ups and check-ins, and walks you through all the BS would do a better job than the joker at the bank who is selling you that 5% front loaded product of the week without an analysis of how much you'd need to retire.

 
At December 9, 2007 1:46 PM , Blogger Spencer said...

I'm sure that there are some good financial advisers at Ameriprise, however, I feel that I just got the rotten apple from the bunch.

I do realize that it is important for me to perform some analysis, or have someone hold my hand and do the analysis, but I just felt that this guy couldn't sufficiently provide what I needed to have done.

He did mention the 90-day money back guarantee, but after the hassle that he gave me trying to get me to sign up, I felt that I would have to go through the exact same thing in order to get my money back if/when I felt dissatisfied.

 
At May 11, 2008 9:39 AM , Anonymous AldoS**** said...

funny that a CSUN grad would try to diss any UC grad

 

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